Q&A with a Story Guru: Sean Buvala: Definition of Storytelling is Critical

See a photo of Sean, his bio, and Part 1 of this Q&A.


Q&A with Sean Buvala, Questions 2 and 3:

Q: How important is it to you and your work to function within the framework of a particular definition of “story?” (i.e., What is a story?) What definition do you espouse?

A: I think that definition of storytelling is critical for it is within the lines of definition we get the most freedoms. I have worked for some time with the following definition. “Storytelling is the intentional sharing of a narrative in words and actions for the benefit of both the listener and the teller.”

Just quickly, “intentional” means that not everything we do is storytelling. Storytelling is a planned activity and process. “Narrative” means what is being talked about has a beginning, middle, and end. “Sharing” means that there is an audience in front of the teller which can be one person or thousands. “Benefit” means both the listener and the teller leave the sharing of story as a changed person. Even after telling some stories for decades, I still hear new ideas from even my oldest stories. Usually, what comes as new to me is when the listener tells me what they hear. I am not a fan of giving the morals to stories. I would rather the audience work that out with me instead of being told what to think.

That is a rather quick take on my definition of storytelling. We usually go rather in depth in our workshops on this definition so the audience can add to or take away as they need.

Q: The culture is abuzz about Web 2.0 and social media. To what extent do you participate in social media (such as through LinkedIn, MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Second Life, blogs, etc.)? To what extent and in what ways do you feel these venues are storytelling media?

A: I like Twitter (and I have the fun ID of @storyteller) for the immediacy of having some very smart people sending bits and pieces of wisdom and fun my way. I enjoy podcasting as a way to let people think about ideas. Although audio stories in podcasts in themselves are not storytelling, recorded pieces do open the door to live interaction. I have had some fun with YouTube, most recently making a video-podcast of our “gestures” training. Storyteller.net embraced technology and storytelling very early on. I love seeing what’s next in the tech world since I am one of the “early adopters” we keep hearing about.

Q&A with a Story Guru: Sean Buvala: If Everything We Do is Storytelling, Then Nothing is Storytelling

I am so excited to bring you a Q&A from Sean Buvala, a frequent commenter to A Storied Career. A storytelling “purist,” Sean keeps me on my toes, makes me think, and keeps me from descending too far into appreciating the sillier interpretations of storytelling and uses of applied storytelling. He is extremely active in many corners of the storytelling world and is a prolific Twitterer. His Storyteller.net is about the same age as Quintessential Careers, the parent site of A Storied Career, and his description later in this Q&A of the pioneering aspect of his site sounds much like the journey of QuintCareers. This Q&A will appear over the next five days.

Bio: (From one of Sean’s Web sites): Sean describes the collection of stories in his head as “life and legend” representing the mix of stories from his experiences, myth and legend from many cultures, sacred stories and observations of shared life events. As a storyteller, Sean primarily works with teens and adults in business and corporate settings. However, schools and libraries use him all the time for younger children. He describes his style as somewhere between “in your life and in your face” depending on the needs of the group he’s telling to/with at any given gathering.

Sean has been presenting and storytelling “on the road” since 1985. He’s traveled to perform and present workshops in dozens of states and to hundreds of organizations in those states. His audiences have ranged from just a few people gathered in a living room to several thousand teens and adults. He is the founder of Storyteller.net, the largest online resource for storytelling and storytellers.

Sean’s experience also involves training and design for the telecommunication and hospitality industry. He’s done customer service instruction/team development for companies ranging from government to faith based organizations to major corporations. He’s taught and told for companies such as Wells Fargo, AT&T, Unilever, the Arizona Courts and more.

Most important of all, Sean is the father of four daughters and husband of one wife. He lives in the Phoenix, Arizona, area. His wife says that when he is home from the road, he is a great cook.

His current projects include Storyteller.net and “Outside In Storytelling.”.


Q&A with Sean Buvala, Question 1:

Q: The storytelling movement seems to be growing explosively. Why now?’ What is it about this moment in human history and culture that makes storytelling so resonant with so many people right now?

A: Storytelling has been bedrock to all cultures through history. In that, I mean the process of telling a narrative with a beginning, middle, and end to convey a particular thought, a societal idea or to entertain. With the advent of so many electronic communications, people are just growing more aware of their need for deeper communication and connectedness. Our neighbors are no longer the people who live next door. Now, neighbors are the communities and people we self select. Since so many people are now engaged in long distance communities, families and friends spread out, people are feeling a lack of something in their day-to-day existence. That longing is being met in sharing of story in its many forms.

There are many folktales that talk about wholeness or one person separated into two beings. It is only by coming to terms with one’s story and wrestling with oneself that these two parts can be made whole. Our stories are native and entwined in each of us.

For me, I do not think that I see the question as you see it. I am not so sure “storytelling” is growing explosively. I know that the use of the word “storytelling” is growing at a rapid clip, and it is being applied to all forms of communication. Therefore, now, everyone who shares any idea at all is a “storyteller.” I think this does a disservice to other art forms. For me, storytelling is the “mother” of all other communications. A person who excels at writing a story is an author, not a storyteller. A person who creates great videos is not a “digital storyteller” but rather a gifted filmmaker. There has been a dilution of the word storytelling. If everything we do is storytelling, then nothing is storytelling. I am neither a gifted author nor a filmmaker and do not wish to be. I am a storyteller and my work needs the presence of an audience right in front of me. Without an audience and immediate interaction, then whatever the artist is doing is not storytelling. It may be any of many other gifted and needed art forms.

I am critiqued for expressing my understanding of what is and is not story. Essentially, I am accused of keeping people “out of the tent.” That is not my intention at all. “Story” has many ways to be expressed and there are tents all over the field. In my tent, story is presented in an oral expression (or ASL manual communication) called storytelling that requires a live audience of at least one person. Over there, there’s another tent filled with talented filmmakers expressing story. In a third tent, maybe there are talented dancers, scrapbookers, or authors. I do not want to dilute any of the art forms by having to cram us all into the same metaphorical tent. I want the freedom to go enjoy the filmmakers in their tent and maybe even join them in a few attempts of my own. I also know that all the artists in those other tents will benefit by coming and learning foundational things in the storytelling tent.

I think I know that we in the storytelling communities have lost grip on the word “storytelling” and I am banging a drum that no one will really hear. Nevertheless, my place in life is to call the crowd to many different ways of thinking and says, “Look over here.” I would be untrue to my art and myself if I did anything less.

Recruiter’s Future Vision of Storytelling Skills Needs to Come a Lot Sooner than 2025

I tweeted last week about this blog entry from Michael Long (The Red Recruiter), but I haven’t blogged about it till now.

Long writes about five skills recruiters will need in 2025, including storytelling, which he frames as “vision.”

Sorry, Red, but 2025 is 16 years from now. Why do recruiters not need storytelling skills before then. Why don’t they need them …. now?

Read his description of vision/storytelling skills below and see if you agree there’s no need for recruiters to wait to develop these skills.

There’s also no need for job-seekers to wait to use these skills. Everything Long envisions in the passage below can be turned around to apply to job-seekers.

Long’s words:

Vision — This could also be called “Storytelling Skills” but, “Vision” seems easier. The bottom line is this… can you paint a picture in a person’s mind? Can you show them through words what their future looks like? In exploring someone’s career path, it becomes vital that you share a vision of the future. What are their next career steps, strategic moves, compensation angles, etc…

You don’t wake up one morning with the ability to convey vision. Well, perhaps some people do… but, that was not my fortunate tale. I had to work on it.

Read stories, listen to stories, write stories… explore, travel, meet new people. Get exposed to things that are completely foreign. Take so much in to your mind that you can’t take anymore. Then, do it again. Experience and exposure are the parents to good storytelling. The life narratives that you are exposed to in recruiting, coupled with the life experiences that you should be pursuing, will result in a much richer experience for your candidates. Let’s face it… given the option… wouldn’t you want your recruiter to have some perspective on the world? So, go get it!

Here’s how the first paragraph might look from the job-seeker perspective:

Can you paint a picture in a hiring decision-maker’s mind? Can you show him or her through words what the future looks like with you in the job you seek? Can you describe the story of your career path so that it’s clear you share a vision of the future with the hiring organization? What’s your future story of next career steps, strategic moves, compensation angles, etc.?

All the advice Long applies to learning storytelling skills applies to job-seekers — plus many more techniques that I’m sure readers of this blog could share.

Just remember, 2025 is way too late.

Have You Observed or Heard About Story-worthy Interview Behavior?

Last Sunday’s entry sparked a very interesting idea from Shawn Callahan. It’s in the comments to the Sunday entry, but I wanted to bring it to the forefront in hops of getting the thoughts of others. Here’s what he said:

Here’s an that I would love to hear your thoughts on. As a job candidate, in addition to telling your story and eliciting the story of the company and its people from the interviewer, should they also be trying to trigger stories about themselves by doing something remarkable (in that the interviewer tells that story) in the interview?
I was chatting to Terrence Gargiulo a few weeks ago and we were referring to this triumvirate as a leader’s narrative triple threat (sounds a bit threatening however) much like an actors triple threat is to dance, sing and act (al la fellow countryman Hugh Jackman).

Is this something a candidate would want to do or is it too dangerous?

And here’s how I responded:

Shawn [actually I misspelled his name in the comment … oops], I think you are onto something. I think that — within reason — you’ve suggested an excellent idea.
The question is: What is the appropriate “doing something remarkable?”
It could be giving an unexpected presentation in the interview. Or doing such comprehensive research on the employer that the candidate demonstrates extraordinary insight into meeting the employer’s challenges. Or telling the interviewer a story that makes a profound emotional connection.

I would love to hear other ideas for remarkable things candidates could do so the interviewer tells stories about them.

Shawn and I then exchanged a few e-mails privately in which he suggested trying to solicit examples of remarkable acts that have so impressed interviewers that they have told the story to others. I told him I would post the question on LinkedIn Answers, which I finally did yesterday (here).

But let me throw the question open here as well: Have you ever observed something a candidate did in an interview that was so remarkable that you told others the story? Or have you perhaps heard such a story told by an interviewer?

Q&A with a Story Guru: Whitney Quesenbery: Stories Can Help Clarify a Problem

See a photo of Whitney, her bio, Part 1 of this Q&A, Part 2, Part 3, and Part 4.


Q&A with Whitney Quesenbery, Question 5:

Q: What’s your favorite story about a transformation that came about through a story or storytelling act?

A: My favorite moments in UX stories are when a story can make a point and help a team see a problem or opportunity clearly. Without going too deeply into the specifics, perhaps this example will work.”

“On our web site, some people seemed to get lost on the opening page of some great information. They missed all the navigation and links to get started, and would just… wander off. We’d seen this behavior, but never really understood it, until we looked closely. They were reading the page, and clicked on the first link, ready to dive in when.. WHAM. They were thrown into a page to order bulk copies of printed literature. Someone else skipped that link and took the next one. WHOOPS. She was back at the same page she’d started from. So she tried again. And it happened again. She went around that merry-go-round at least three times. Now we understood. We’d dangled “garbage” links in front of someone, and distracted — or frustrated them. Now we knew how to fix it. Happy reader.”

New Blog Seeks Stories of Jobs Lost and Found

Starfishpeople.com, an employment website for the consulting industry, is sponsoring a new blog for job seekers to share their stories, advice, and successes. Starting June 15, a new story from readers will be posted every day.

More from the blog’s Karen Vogel:

Each of these stories will be unique, inspirational, and informative.

Sharing your story might inspire others who are in the same situation. If someone reading this hasn’t personally lost their job, they may have a spouse, friend, or family member that has.

I talk to people every day who share their personal stories. Many of the stories are reflections of how they got caught in a corporate downsizing or mass layoff. What continues to amaze me is how almost everyone I talk to stays positive, upbeat, and optimistic. Some people have even taken this opportunity to motivate and help others. For some job seekers, the entrepreneurial juices took over and they have reinvented themselves.

Maybe you took your situation and turned it into a life-changing opportunity or maybe you are still searching for what’s next.

Either way, we want to hear from you!

This blog project will give you the forum to share your story and advice with others.

Folks who want to share their stories can submit them by e-mail here:

Q&A with a Story Guru: Whitney Quesenbery: Stories in UX Add Complexity, Serendipity to Logic, Analysis

See a photo of Whitney, her bio, Part 1 of this Q&A, Part 2, and Part 3.


Q&A with Whitney Quesenbery, Question 4:

Q: How did you initially become involved with story/storytelling narrative? What attracted you to this field? What do you love about it?

A: User experience is my second career. My first was in theatre, where I worked for many years as a lighting designer. When I started working on an early hypertext project, the connection between theatre and UX seemed very obvious. I used to talk about the computer screen as a very small stage proscenium.

We always had activities in UX that were “story-like:” creating scenarios to describe how a site is used, describing what we learned in user research, and creating the stories for usability testing tasks. But, none of this was formally connected to “storytelling” in my mind. That came when I first heard Stephen Denning speak, and read The Springboard.

What I love about using stories in user experience design is that it allows me to add some of the complexity and serendipity of life to the logic and analysis that dominates work in technology.

Q&A with a Story Guru: Whitney Quesenbery: Stories Help Us Connect in Technological World

See a photo of Whitney, her bio, Part 1 of this Q&A, and Part 2.


Q&A with Whitney Quesenbery, Question 3:

Q: The storytelling movement seems to be growing explosively. Why now? What is it about this moment in human history and culture that makes storytelling so resonant with so many people right now?

A: In my world of user experience — which usually means technology-mediated experiences — I think it’s about finding ways to connect. We are craftspeople, in the sense that we make things for other people to use. But we often have a very tenuous relationship with those people.

Think about how strange it is to have a group of people working on software or a web application who have no real, practical understanding of the daily lives of the people who will use what they create. This is very different from the lives of traditional crafts people. When you built a house, or made a tool, you could see and touch the world and lives it would be part of.

Technology is such a paradox: it allows us to connect in so many new ways, but it also allows us to be apart.

Stories are a way of rebuilding that connection. There are many ways to tell user experience stories: personas, scenarios, comics, storyboards. They are all ways of letting us see more than just the technology we work with, and give us a window into the context of the user experience.

This is increasingly important now because of how pervasive technologies are in our lives. We need to understand all the possibilities and variations. Stories help us do that.

Q&A with a Story Guru: Whitney Quesenbery: The Importance of Storytelling in User Experience Design

See a photo of Whitney, her bio, and Part 1 of this Q&A.


Q&A with Whitney Quesenbery, Question 2:

Q: The first chapter in your upcoming book, Storytelling for User Experience Design, addresses why “stories are important as part of user experience work.” Without re-creating the chapter, can you offer a bit of insight as to why storytelling is especially important in user experience design — and do it in a way that gives an overview of UX for readers unfamiliar with the field?

A: Every UX project involves managing a lot of information. Even a small site involves balancing the business goals, user needs, and technical possibilities. When you are working on a large project it’s hard to stay focused on the goal of creating an excellent user experience, because you are managing so many details and (sometimes) conflicting needs. The other difficulty is keeping the “user” in sight. Perhaps that sounds strange for work on the user experience, but typically the users are not part of the design and development team, so it’s easy to ignore them.

With their ability to communicate so effectively, and on such a deep level, stories are one way to manage both challenges. They are a natural way to describe events, brainstorm ideas, engage the imagination, and build community around the new design.

Missing from the Debate: Women’s Stories

The Huffington Post is soliciting the stories of women who have made the difficult decision to have an abortion, especially a late-term abortion.

Noting that women’s stories are missing from the current rhetoric about abortion following the murder of Kansas abortion provider George Tiller, the media outlet seeks these stories here.

It’s worth noting that heated ethical debates often omit the stories of those most affected by the issues.

Stories are powerful, eye-opening, and generators of social change.

What other current debates are omitting the stories of those most affected?