Q and A with a Story Guru: David Sidwell: Interconnectedness, Through Story

Like many of my recent Q&A finds, Dr. David Sidwell popped up in one of my Scoop.it curations. I’m always intrigued by folks who are using story in higher education, but David Sidwell’s story work cover far more territory than just teaching. I’m delighted to learn of his many story-related pursuits. This Q&A will run over the next several days.

Bio: [From his blog’s “About” page:] Dr. David Sidwell, one of the few Renaissance men in a compartmentalized world, has devoted his life and his professional expertise to making the show of life grand and worthwhile in the various institutions for whom he has worked. He is a consultant who is ready to help your organization succeed in many ways.

He is not content to simply have a job; he wants a cause to fight for.

As a talented leader, he is expert in a variety of fields, his skills fed by enthusiasm, creativity, communication and the arts. [Read more …, as well as his personal site]

Q&A with David Sidwell, Question 1:

Q: You describe yourself as a “Renaissance Man,” and the diversity of your career certainly supports that claim. To what extent do you use storytelling in your various incarnations? Do you have a favorite professional role among the many you’ve played in your career?

A: Though I have a pretty stringent definition of storytelling, I also feel that not all storytelling events or activities need to comply with this definition. One can say “It’s the Big Bad Wolf at the door” and we have just alluded to a story that most of us know. While it’s not storytelling per se, the allusion is often strong enough to do some good.

I have found storytelling to be an extremely useful tool in all sorts of ways. I think this has been the most surprising thing to me as well — just how many uses storytelling, or the allusion to storytelling, has. As program director of a nonprofit cultural arts center and living-history museum, I was able to use stories in staff meetings to inspire my staff — and they used stories to inspire me and each other. The sharing of stories became a vital tool for improvement and reflection as we told each other of successes and failures. This was real storytelling. I’ve heard it said that the only reason for an “open door policy” is so that the director doesn’t smash his face on the way out to see his or her staff, and this proved to be true in this context as well. Some staff, in their living-history duties, would often cook a lovely lunch that was shared amongst the volunteers and staff that were active on those days. If I ever joined in the lunch, I always earned it by washing dishes afterward — the job no one wanted. But in so doing, I was able to share stories of my personal life with the staff and volunteers present, and I listened to their stories, too. This simple sharing of stories made for a lot of camaraderie that helped us get things done faster, better and with more productivity.

I also used stories in marketing and public relations, and in fundraising. I discovered that the best way to raise money for your organization is to have your Board of Directors tell positive stories often to their friends, many of whom either have funds, influence or other resources that can be called upon.Of course, it’s important to feed your Board of Directors great stories regularly, too.

As a university professor, I use stories when I want my students to actually remember something. The images found in stories embed themselves in the brain better than data or facts, so I end up going from story to story rather than from concept to concept or fact to fact.

As a nonprofit business consultant, I am currently being much more deliberate about using storytelling in organizational contexts. I have a natural knack for helping nonprofit organizations succeed, whatever the problem. I’m able to help them raise money, further their cause, plan strategically, come up with curriculum materials and help in their marketing. But being more deliberate about using storytelling in these contexts has really helped me sharpen and hone my skills and communicate to my clients how interconnected everything is — through story.

Your Visual Might Suggest a Story, But It Probably Isn’t Storytelling

Data visualization … infographic … visual storytelling. We see these terms frequently these days and are often told that these images, in fact, comprise storytelling.

I’ve wrestled with the concept of visual storytelling. I have periodically presented in this space roundups of artifacts touted to be “visual storytelling,” and now I do the same with a Pinterest curation.


I have slowly come around to the belief, however, that probably none of these artifacts can truly be characterized as storytelling.

Zach Gemignani recently reinforced that view in a post entitled Data Visualization as Storytelling: A Stretched Analogy:

For practitioners of the craft, connecting our work to stories feels satisfying — it is a call to raise our standards and an opportunity to enhance the influence of our field. Stories evoke images of rapt audiences, dramatic arcs, and unexpected plot twists.

Unfortunately this analogy is a stretch. The truth is that many of the core elements of stories simply aren’t evident in data visualizations: characters, a plot, a three-act structure, a beginning and an end. Occasionally, the narrative flow of a story can be glimpsed in an infographic or dashboard.

At the same time, data visualizations have fundamental characteristics missing from traditional storytelling. Interactive data visualizations let the audience explore the information to find the insights that resonate with them. Visualizations should take shape based to a large extend on the underlying data. And as this data changes, the emphasis and message of the visualization is likely to change.

Gemignani’s view especially resonated with me after I saw a post entitled A Storytelling Experiment by Robert Kosara. Kosara asks visitors to click to “be taken to one of several slightly different versions of a visual story about the development of the gross domestic product (GDP) in different countries.” The user does indeed get a different version of the visualization each time he or she clicks. The experiment is that the version that represents the best storytelling will be most often shared by users:

You will help us understand which types of storytelling work and which don’t. … This is as much an experiment in running experiments as it is an experiment on storytelling: we’re measuring the effectiveness of the different versions by tracking how often they are shared.


Well, the visualizations (see one version at left) are very clever and interesting, but they are not storytelling.

I maintain that many artifacts characterized as data visualizations, infographics, visual storytelling, and other labels still have value in the story world because they suggest or enhance stories.

If I analyze the types of item in my Pinterest curation, I come up with:

  • Art that inspires the viewer to construct a story while viewing it. (The artist undoubtedly had a story in mind when creating it that may or may not be the same as the tale the beholder weaves.)
  • Illustration meant to enhance or reinterpret a story told in another form.
  • Photojournalism that goes a long way toward telling a story of an event on its own but usually needs the context of words to convey a holistic story.
  • Photo essays by photographers who specialize in shooting families, children, and family events. These pieces generally suggest an aura of story by providing a visually pleasing slice of the subjects’ lives. Since they are often posed shots rather than candids, the story portrayed may not be fully authentic.
  • Similarly, photo essays, often about celebrities, that don’t reveal much if a story, but do offer small, candid slices of life.
  • Tools that employ visuals in some aspect of a storytelling process.
  • Visualizations of meetings and events that employ an emergingly popular visual note-taking process. These pieces document the events, but do they really tell their stories?

I will continue to explore the storied aspects of visual forms even while rejecting the “storytelling” label thrust upon so many of them.

Q and A with a Story Guru: Elizabeth Gates: Telling Stories has Changed More Lives than Medical Interventions

See a photo of Elizabeth, her bio, Part 1 of this Q&A, Part 2, and Part 3.

Q&A with Elizabeth Gates, Questions 6, 7, 8, and 9:

Q: The storytelling movement seems to be growing explosively. Why now? What is it about this moment in human history and culture that makes storytelling so resonant with so many people right now?

A: Storytelling is becoming popular now because, as people increasingly understand, “hardware” is not enough. They like human interaction — loving or loathing others. But, as people find opportunities to interact are programmed out of their lives, they will make efforts to re-introduce them. And story is a way to do this.

Q: What’s your favorite story about a transformation that came about through a story or storytelling act?

A: A young girl was raped. Years of therapy hadn’t helped her forget and live life as she wished. Then a wise counselor asked her to tell her story — as a story, as if it had happened to someone else. She did. She felt witnessed. She felt empowered. She has displayed such talent and passion for storytelling and writing, she is now a full-time novelist. Telling stories has changed more lives than medical interventions.

Q: If you could share just one piece of advice or wisdom about story/storytelling/ narrative with readers, what would it be?

A: Listen with attention, reflect in depth and share.

Q: What question do you wish I had asked you but didn’t?

A: What did Einstein mean when he advised parents if they want their children to be wise, encourage them to read fairy tales?

Q and A with a Story Guru: Elizabeth Gates: Story Sessions Encourage Members of Dysfunctional Teams to Listen

See a photo of Elizabeth, her bio, Part 1 of this Q&A, and Part 2.

Q&A with Elizabeth Gates, Questions 4 and 5:

Q: One of your specialty areas is communication and storytelling in organizations. When organizations (and the people in them) seek out your services, why are the typical communication issues they face — and how can storytelling help?

A: Teams (like families) are quite often dysfunctional because their members have ceased to communicate with each other. Story sessions encourage people to listen, to be curious about what is going to happen, to sift their own experiences for answers to common problems and to share. Stories also generate empathy and laughter. And living — for however brief a time — in a functional “metaphor” is a “habit” that can be carried forward into everyday working life.

Q: What has surprised you most in your work with story?

A: The eagerness to engage that people display when listening to stories and telling their own — even if this is a new experience for them.

Q and A with a Story Guru: Elizabeth Gates: Writing Your Own Story Is Important for Witnessing

See a photo of Elizabeth, her bio, and Part 1 of this Q&A.

Q&A with Elizabeth Gates, Question 3:

Q: You offer workshops in memoir-writing and journaling. Undoubtedly many reasons exist for journaling and writing one’s memoir. What do you feel is the most compelling reason? Why do people need your workshops assist them in these endeavors?

A: One of the most compelling reasons for writing your own story is “witness” — even if the writing never sees the light of day. But — when shared in a supportive, empathic group (such as I create in my workshops) — the writing brings all the human emotion contained in the writing to the outside and allows the writer to reflect on it and feel in control once more. To do this, with an audience, is to be empowered, to lose all sense of merely being a passive recipient of the experience. This endows the writer with a self-esteem and confidence, which he or she may never have felt before.

Spirituality of Imperfection through Personal Storytelling Thrives in both AA and Toastmasters

You’ll find little of what follows that hasn’t already appeared in this space. The following is the text of a speech I gave last week in Toastmasters. My assignment was to explain an abstract concept. I chose “the spirituality of imperfection,” which I’ve written about here a number of times. I wove a bit of my personal story into it, something I’ve also written about here. A new addition had to do with Toastmasters itself and how it is a safe place to tell personal stories.

By the way, one of the books I’ve most enjoyed over the last year is Life Itself, Roger Ebert’s memoir. Roger tells his personal story of his alcoholism in this terrific blog post.


My name is Kathy, and I’m an alcoholic.

If I were at a meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous, that’s what I would say. I haven’t had a drink in 29 years, but I am still an alcoholic because if I ever took a drink again, I wouldn’t be able to stop.

I was inspired to tell a bit of my story after [a member] mentioned during Table Topics that he is in recovery. [Member’s name] told me that he was planning to start a 12-step group here at this church because he feels it’s important to tell his story so he can help others. Later, [another member] spoke about her experience with a 12-step program.

Thus, my peer Toastmasters and honored guests, I want to share with you how important stories are for sharing our common humanity and imperfections.

A few years ago, I was drawn to this book, The Spirituality of Imperfection, partly because of my own experience with addiction and partly because of my passion for storytelling and the book’s subtitle, “Storytelling and the Search for Meaning.” The book explains why personal storytelling is at the heart of Alcoholics Anonymous and other 12-step programs.

“In the mirror of another’s story,” the book says, “we can discover our tragedy and our comedy — and therefore our very human-ness.”

My tragedy was that I spent 10 years of my life drinking — from age 18 to age 28. I did many things I’m not proud of, including blacking out and waking up with no memory of what happened in the preceding hours. Back then, I could not imagine participating in a social event without the lubrication of alcohol. A cousin once told me, “You don’t bother to have a personality unless you’re drunk.”

After I quit, dealing with my shyness in social situations was extremely difficult, and is to this day. But I would never go back because my life is unimaginably better without alcohol.

Let me share with you a passage from The Spirituality of Imperfection that explains how sharing stories helps others:

The stories that sustain a spirituality of imperfection are wisdom stories. They follow a temporal format, describing “what we used to be like, what happened, and what we are like now.” Such stories, however, can do more: The sequential format makes it possible for other people’s stories to become part of “my” story. Sometimes, for example, hearing another person’s story can occasion profound change.

This format, the books says, of describing of “what we used to be like, what happened, and what we are like now” shapes a language of recovery that acts as the key that opens the door to experiences that are spirituality.

It may not be easy to understand how this story-sharing is spiritual. The Spirituality of Imperfection notes that the great spiritual leaders told stories that invited identification. If you look at the parables of Jesus, for example, they are all stories that his followers could identify with, could see themselves in — The Sower and the Seeds, The Prodigal Son, The Good Samaritan. As The Spirituality of Imperfection states, great spiritual leaders have understood that “the best way to help me find my story is to tell me your story.”

When I first moved to this area, I knew I needed a social outlet. I narrowed my choices down to Alcoholics Anonymous or Toastmasters. You know which one I chose.

But A.A. and Toastmasters have some similarities. They are both safe and supportive environments in which people can share their stories without fear of being judged or ridiculed. Just a few weeks ago, [a member] commented on we show our vulnerabilities here. Of course, we communicate in lots of ways beyond telling stories here in Toastmasters — but we all know we can tell our stories here.

How many times have you told a story about yourself in a speech or Table Topics and had someone come up to you afterwards and tell you that he or she had the same experience you shared in your story?

Because we are imperfect creatures with flaws and limitations, we take comfort in the imperfections, flaws, and limitations of others.

How many times have you seen a member become emotional — get choked up — while telling his or her story? In telling our stories, we are not only describing the spiritual realities of Release, Gratitude, Humility, Tolerance, Forgiveness — we are experiencing those emotions.

Let me close with an excerpt from a review of The Spirituality of Imperfection by a blogger named Jennifer:

It is through the telling of stories of hardship and pain, shame and doubt, joy and strength, experience and hope that we connect with each other and find a shared spirituality that accepts us all as okay, as imperfect. We learn and grow from our shared imperfections. These very imperfections are what enhances our spirituality, our connectedness, so that we are better, stronger as a result. It is not just through our flaws that we grow strong, but in shared imperfections — a sharing that occurs through the telling of our stories.

That connectedness — with each other and with our Creator — my friends, is the spirituality of imperfection.

Thank you.

Q and A with a Story Guru: Elizabeth Gates: Storytelling Chose Her

It’s always a very special treat when someone I respect — in this case a past Q&A subject — nominates a practitioner to participate in this series. Lisa Rosetti nominated her writing coach Elizabeth (Lizzie) Gates. “Lizzie is a very accomplished writer and my writing coach,” Lisa wrote, “and she is very knowledgeable around organizational storytelling. This field is gaining a lot of interest in UK; for example, there’s an upcoming seminar in April at Northampton Business School around storytelling in organizations led by Yiannis Gabriel.” I’m thrilled to publish this interview with Elizabeth. The Q&A will run over the next several days.

Bio: Elizabeth has a BA. Honours in English Language and Literature and an MA in Linguistics. She has worked in Belgium, Germany, and the UK, training adult learners in English-language skills, creative writing and English for special purposes. Since 1985, she has been a practising journalist, writing for national and regional newspapers and magazines on health and well-being. She is also an experienced ghostwriter. In 2005, Elizabeth trained as a personal and executive coach with the prestigious coach training school, Coaching Development. And since then she has developed Lonely Furrow Company — a client-centred practice specialising in writing coaching and communication coaching and using writing interventions, transactional analysis, neuro-linguistic programming, and accelerated learning techniques such as story-telling to achieve highly-successful outcomes. Her Out of the Box interactive workshops are already recognised nationally as a powerful way of developing creative communication, leadership and writing skills. She is committed to a rolling programme of continuous professional development and supervision

Q&A with Elizabeth Gates, Questions 1 and 2:

Q: How did you initially become involved with story/storytelling/ narrative? What attracted you to this field? What do you love about it?

A: I was brought up by storytellers. Telling stories was how we related to each other, entertained each other, informed each other, re-affirmed each other. I love storytelling because what my family of storytellers did for me, I can do for others.

Q: One of your areas of specialization is storytelling and writing for well-being. How did you get involved in that area? Did you have personal experience with having your well-being improved through writing/storytelling?

A: Story-telling and writing for well-being have chosen me, and I have built on what they have given me. I started to write as I learned to read stories. And I have written all my life. But at times of crisis — when in such severe trauma I doubt my heart will hold out — writing is a form of restorative meditation. And — although I can tell stories to move to tears — I also tell stories to entertain and develop relationships. Although at times, I cannot avoid the former, I prefer the latter.

Q and A with a Story Guru: Amy Zalman: Republican Candidates Reveal Difficulty Maintaining Control Over a Coherent Narrative about Themselves or the Country

See a photo of Amy Zalman, her bio, Part 1 of this Q&A, Part 2, Part 3, and Part 4.

Q&A with Amy Zalman, Question 5:

Q: A testimonial on your site express this wish: “I hope the two presidential campaigns have an opportunity to review and digest Dr. Zalman’s work.” Presumably that quote referred to the 2008 presidential campaigns, but what do you see as the narrative issues of the 2012 election, and what could the campaigns learn if they had the opportunity to review and digest your work?

A: It is still early in the election year, but so far all of the potential Republican candidates are revealing difficulty maintaining control over a coherent narrative about themselves or the country. Even more than four years ago, new media and social media have enabled many narrators, who can slice out elements of candidates’ speech in real time and insert it into other narrative streams. These commentators aren’t only responding to what the campaigners say, they are also producing new meanings that the campaigns may have to respond to.

All of this commentary, coupled with the new information that we are continually getting — like the winners of primaries, or the results of major polls — create a constantly adjusting meta-narrative about the campaign itself. This framework offers a great archetypical structure — winners and losers, heroes and underdogs, last minute upsets and dramatic turns.This week saw Republican primaries in Michigan and Arizona. Lately, the metanarrative of the Romney campaign has been that his campaign may be losing momentum. And everything gets folded into that narrative — the way that Romney’s speaking before an empty stadium has come to reflect his downward slide rather than the fact that he had to find a new place to speak when his first venue grew too small. Of course, these metanarratives twist and turn — as of this writing, he seems to be on the upswing.

My work recommends a holistic viewpoint, and I would say that a campaign intent on winning and seeking to maintain a strategic edge should adopt this view and try to watch the metanarrative, and intercept it as it can and as necessary. It should look down on the information environment like a subway map, and try to see all of the relevant information flows, as well as making traditional efforts to look out at the landscape at ground level and shape the agenda from that vantage.

The other important narrative issue in this campaign relates to the incredible complexity of the most important issues. The economy and budgets, foreign policy, employment strategy, the role of government in our lives, these are difficult to understand and none has a single “right answer,” but rather better and worse strategic approaches. So the candidates have to work through shorthand to explain their vision, and one of those ways is by presenting themselves as mirrors of the American people, and telling us obliquely their story of who they think we are. Santorum presents himself as the leader of a rugged, working class, strong but fearful America, victimized by a liberal elite. Romney says we are a nation of innovators and risk takers who are overburdened by a government that is taking our resources and inhibiting our intrinsic entrepreneurial spirit. Obama has not officially gone campaigning yet, but in a speech earlier this week at the University of Florida he reflected back to us a country that is also entrepreneurial, but younger, and in need simply of access to things like education in order to move us into the information age, through science and technological prowess in particular.

As voters, I think it is important for us to listen reflectively to how each of these candidates uses narrative devices to tell a story, not only of themselves, but not only in their anecdotes about themselves, but in their policy statements as well.

Facebook Story Winner Announced

As I noted in mid-January, Mashable recently held a story contest to mark the huge expansion of the character limit of Facebook status updates to 63,206 characters. The site announced the winner this week:

We received a range of responses, including prose, poetry, fiction, non-fiction, and even someone who used Facebook to quit his job. But one suspenseful story stood out, and we’re happy to announce Dan Holden as the winner for his 15,084-character tale, “Taking Forever.”

Holden’s story is striking, suspenseful, and contains a twist. It’s unclear to me whether it’s fiction or a true story. I thought it was true for most of the story but then was unsure at the end. You can find it, along with a brief interview with the author here.

Q and A with a Story Guru: Amy Zalman: ‘Narrative’ Is an Overused Buzzword

See a photo of Amy Zalman, her bio, Part 1 of this Q&A, Part 2, and Part 3.

Q&A with Amy Zalman, Question 4:

Q: To what extent do you think “storytelling” has become an overused buzzword? Do you find yourself annoyed when things are labeled as “storytelling” that really are not storytelling?

A: For me the culprit word is “narrative” and the arena where its use is most frequently annoying is in the news. Search for “narrative” on any given day on the Google news page, and you will get all kinds of results in which the word narrative is used to mean “claim” or “argument” or simply “position.”

I think that over time, this overuse may clear up, as communications researchers become clearer about what narrative means in the context of media analysis and how it differs from concepts such a framing, agenda setting and other similar terms.


[Editor’s note]: Since Amy’s response to this question is a short one, I’m taking the liberty of citing a serendipitous blog post from the folks at onethousandandone that talks about a similar issue. The post, titled Is Storytelling the new black?, exhorts:

For GAWD’s sake stop calling everything that moves a story! Just calling something a story doesn’t make it a story. We were working with a client who kept talking about their retail story. When asked to explain further they promptly launched into their retail strategy. So it wasn’t a story it was their strategy. It’s still OK to have a strategy (in fact it’s highly recommended) and even better is to call it a strategy. You can then have a range of stories that help people understand and connect with your strategy.