Q&A with a Story Guru: Steve Krizman: Visual Storytelling Moves to the Forefront

See a photo of Steve, his bio, Part 1 of this Q&A, Part 2, and Part 3.


Q&A with Steve Krizman, Question 4:

Q: What future trends or directions to do foresee for story/storytelling/narrative? What’s next for the discipline? What future aspirations do you personally have for your own story work? What would you like to do in the story world that you haven’t yet done?

A: There already is greater emphasis on visual storytelling in organizational communication. The sensational success of YouTube told us that’s what the audience wants. The challenge now is using the right visual medium for the right audiences at the right time. My team is using Flip camera video — and expert editing — to develop Web-only stories that are told in a less formal context (Facebook fan page or employee intranet, for example). Higher production values are used for videos that will be shown on TV or large screens and for which polish is needed to convey our health care expertise (advertisements and patient care videos, for example).

I look forward to what expert storytellers can do with all the visual storytelling tools now at our disposal. Wouldn’t it be great, for example, if PowerPoint were used to tell stories as opposed to displaying speakers’ notes?

Personally, I would like to explore ways to calibrate stories so they resonate with people of different cultures. Health care providers use stories and analogies to help patients understand their condition. If providers were aware of African or Latin American story traditions, would that help them frame stories that are more effective for their African-American or Latino patients?

I am currently intrigued by fotonovela technique — using photographs with comic-like dialogue bubbles to tell a story. The Mexican culture has some familiarity with this storytelling technique, and I wonder whether we can use it in health care to convey important health information.

Q&A with a Story Guru: Steve Krizman: Social Media = Storytelling, Real-Time Anthropology

See a photo of Steve, his bio, Part 1 of this Q&A, and Part 2.


Q&A with Steve Krizman, Question 3:

Q: The culture is abuzz about Web 2.0 and social media. To what extent do you participate in social media (such as through LinkedIn, MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Second Life, blogs, etc.)? To what extent and in what ways do you feel these venues are storytelling media?

A: I am an early and enthusiastic adopter of social media. I have written several blogs (currently Tropes), I Tweet (@Dialogdog), I am active on LinkedIn, Facebook and Vimeo, I check-in on Foursquare, I follow several blogs via feeds to my iGoogle page, and I have contributed to Wikipedia. I love this stuff precisely because I consider them storytelling — bits of stories that I weave together and watch others weave together into a grand narrative of our times, our selves and our beliefs. It’s real-time anthropology.

I don’t see how anyone can be successful in organizational communication and PR without participating in social media. I can’t see how anyone can be in this business and not want to. Just as I enjoyed getting phone calls after a newspaper story, I love seeing the immediate impact of my organization’s storytelling. How many people watched the video in which our sports medicine doctor talked about preparing for the upcoming marathon? What are employees saying in response to the healthy lifestyles challenge? How many prospective customers have scoped out our physician bio pages? How many people have shared our latest TV commercial? What are the comments like in that online Denver Post article?

I think a lot of people in my field have held back because they wonder whether social media will stick or because they worry about liability. It’s a safe bet that people will be talking about your company long into the future, whether that is at the beauty parlor, on Facebook or in some other venue yet to be invented. The sooner you get into the conversation, the greater influence you will have on the conversation in the future. As for liability — let’s look at the flip side, the good you and your company can do by impacting more people at the time and in the place when they are ready for your product or service.

Q&A with a Story Guru: Steve Krizman: Strong Story Needed to Make Broken Health-Care System More Real

See a photo of Steve, his bio, and Part 1 of this Q&A.


Q&A with Steve Krizman, Question 2:

Q: If you could identify a person or organization who desperately needs to tell a better story, who or what would it be?

A: We need a strong story – or stories — to make our broken health-care system more real to more of us. Facts: The United States pays more per capita on health care than any other country, yet our quality of care is among the worst in the industrialized world. Despite these well-known facts, we fight partisan wars instead of addressing the underlying problems.

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We need the equivalent of my gassed dogs story. The problem in Montrose was an overabundance of unwanted strays and lack of concern about the outcome. I could have written an article detailing the problem, but it would not have been as effective as the article that described precisely what became of the dogs that went unclaimed.

The problems with health care are so complex and experienced in different ways by so many people, it is difficult to get a good outrage going. It’s not like there’s TV footage of a broken pipe spewing oil into the Gulf of Mexico.

A recent front-page article in the Denver Postdemonstrates that even when we make the system work better, it’s hard for the story to surface the outrageous problem that is being fixed. The article told how Kaiser Permanente patients who were given technology to e-mail their doctor with daily blood pressure results were much more likely to change their diet and keep their blood pressure within safe limits. As a result, they are 40 percent less likely to have a stroke and 25 percent less likely to have a heart attack. But here’s the underlying, outrageous problem: the vast majority of hypertension patients and their doctors will not soon get access to this technology because the dominant economic model in U.S. health care does not reward the investment. So we go on with 62 percent of hypertension patients letting their blood pressure go through the roof and risking heart attacks and strokes (the treatment of which is covered under our current economic model).

We need more stories that shine the light on things that happen when we haphazardly throw 16 percent of our GNP at an industry and don’t hold anyone accountable for outcomes. Things like post-op infections that are bad for the patient but financially good for the hospital (longer stay, more procedures, more billable hours). Or like losing a limb to diabetes because you are black and that’s just the way the odds play out. Or like hauling your sick self to the doctor’s office for a five-minute look-over instead of a phone consult because the doctor doesn’t get paid unless he/she actually sees you.

Q&A with a Story Guru: Steve Krizman: Leaders Need Analogies to Help Explain Complex Ideas

I believe it was through a comment to this blog that I first learned of Steve Krizman. We share common roots in journalism. I’m so pleased to present his Q&A over the next five days. If you are squeamish and/or an animal lover, brace yourself for his first paragraph below.

Bio: [From Steve’s LinkedIn profile]: “I enjoy using my communication and team-building skills to bring people together in common cause for the betterment of our world. I currently lead the Integrated Communications and Brand Management team at Kaiser Permanente Colorado. The health care provider and health insurer has been reforming health care for more than 50 years, shaking the establishment by paying doctors salaries, coordinating care across all specialties, and more recently building an electronic medical record accessible to all 8 million patients.

I spent 21 years as a newspaper editor and reporter, before going into public relations and organizational communication. I earned my MA in organizational communication and occasionally entertain the idea of working on a doctorate.”

Steve’s blog is Tropes, about which he says: “Tropes are common patterns in storytelling — the hero’s journey, the turn of fortune, the three guys walk into a bar … I have this hunch that all of life’s lessons can be categorized into a finite number of tropes.”


Q&A with Steve Krizman, Question 1:

Q: How do the storytelling lessons you learned as a journalist translate into the work you now do in PR, organizational communications, etc.?

A: Once a week in the ’70s, the animal control officer in Montrose, Colo., led a few unwanted dogs into a squat brick shed, backed up his truck and connected a hose from the shed to his exhaust pipe. He gunned the engine both to speed the gassing and to drown out the noise of animals in their death throes. It wasn’t long after I described this procedure in the local newspaper that the mayor put a halt to it and a fund-raising drive to build a new animal shelter was launched.

I wrote or edited thousands of articles over 21 years in newspapers, some packed with facts and politics and some that unfolded in story. I always got more phone calls after a storytelling article, whether it be eyewitness accounts of midnight garbage dumping off cruise ships, a woman’s daily cat-and-mouse game with a stalker or the inhumane dispatch of strays. I covered city councils and state legislatures that debated the important issues, but those articles did not capture the attention or provoke an emotional response as did storytelling.

Ironically, there is more call for storytelling in organizational communication than in newspapers. While newspapers chronicle, organizational communication teams try to affect behaviors or opinions. For that, you need storytelling: object lessons, analogies and cultural narratives, to name a few. My journalistic experience gives me a good sense what will resonate with large audiences. It helps me spot a “good story” rather easily. And I have 21 years of practice in written storytelling.

But I have had to learn a lot in the 11 years since I moved into organizational communication. Analogies were not big in daily newspapers, but leaders need them to help explain complex ideas. Helping to identify and affect an organization’s culture requires more anthropology and sociology than I picked up in my newspaper days. In my last years in newspapers, we were testing new ways to visually tell stories (graphics, primarily). Now, visual storytelling in the organizational setting is multi-faceted — video, sound slides, and, yes, PowerPoint.

I feel journalism gave me a good base to branch off into organizational communication.

My Phone-Phobia Story

One of my occasional forays into my own story…

I am extremely uncomfortable — nay, phobic — when it comes to talking on the phone. I dread making phone calls and very rarely answer the phone.

Many people find my problem very weird. Some even disdain me. I don’t think my issue is any stranger than the phobia my mother and sister have about driving over bridges. (Neither can do so, and they have to plot out intricate routes when they drive to ensure they won’t encounter any bridges.)

I wasn’t always this way. I would not say I went out of my way to talk on the phone, but I had people in my circle that I would have regular, long phone conversations with. I don’t remember having my current dread of the phone in my earlier years.

Two things happened in the 1990s that gradually made me anti-phone. The first was the Internet. I first went on the Internet in 1993, and I think I came to a subconscious realization that, for the most part, I didn’t have to talk on the phone anymore. I used to have at least monthly long conversations with my best friend, who for years has lived far away from me, but once she went on the ‘Net a month after I did, we carried out virtually all our conversations online. We’ve had personal phone calls only twice in these last 17 years — once to discuss the OJ Simpson verdict and once when my father died.

Which brings me to the second influence on my phone issues. When my dad died in 1997, I learned that he, too, had hated the phone. Somehow that made my quirk OK. I was validated. It was genetic.

It’s usually not that hard to work around my discomfort. In my role as associate publisher for Quintessential Careers, I get a fair number of requests from media for interviews. I either ask to do them via e-mail or pass them off on my partner.

Some phone interaction is unavoidable, though. Some people press me to communicate by phone. I did a number of phone interviews when I was actively pursuing a college-teaching position. My phobia made me absolutely awful at these interviews, but I did learn to get somewhat better (my husband suggested pacing while on the phone to channel nervous energy; that helps a lot). I do monthly conference calls for an executive board I serve on. I am capable of making phone calls if I absolutely have to. I generally have to psych myself up for days. My greatest triumph in confronting my fear was the teleconference I did last fall for Worldwide Story Work.

I know there are ways to get over phobias, and some friends have even suggested methods. But I’m not sure I want to get over it. If my phobia does not greatly impede my personal and professional lives, do I really need to get over it?

The same best friend with whom I no longer have phone conversations has a simple rule for life: Do what you love. Don’t do what you hate. I feel as though I have earned the right at my age to not have to do what I hate.

What do you think? Am I selfish, inflexible, and bizarre for refusing most phone contact and being unwilling to get past my fear?

Creating a Culture of Storytelling

Steve Denning published a blog entry last month on an important but often overlooked topic in organizational storytelling — how to create a culture of storytelling within the organization. He offers six steps for doing so.

Though grounded in Denning’s earlier work in storytelling, the steps seem very much tied to his more recent work for his upcoming book, The Leader’s Guide to Radical Management.

If I ever have the opportunity to teach again, I would consider implementing these steps to create a storytelling culture in the classroom that students could take into their future workplaces. I always found it a bit difficult to get buy-in from business students on the value of storytelling.

Denning’s six steps follow, but his elaboration on each step is the real meat of his prescription, so I hope you’ll check it out:

  1. The goal that is being pursued in establishing a storytelling culture is to foster high-quality interactive human relationships.
  2. Stories should be recognized as one of the ways of fostering high-quality human relationships, but not the only one.
  3. The organization must have as its goal to satisfy, please and even delight other people.
  4. The work should be conducted in self-organizing teams.
  5. The work should be done in relatively short cycles,
  6. Communications should be more open than in a command-and-control bureaucracy.

[Photo: Story circle at McKenna Museum of African American Art discussing juvenile detention reform in New Orleans in 2008.]

How Is Your Organization Using Video Storytelling? New Survey Will Uncover Best Practices

The Society for New Communications Research, which I mentioned way back in the second year of this blog, is conducting research on how organizations use video storytelling.


Here’s what the organization is looking for:


Every organization has stories designed to communicate who they are to both external and internal audiences. Stories are a powerful force for internal innovation and external customer connection. The results of this study will yield insight into best practices for organizations wanting to leverage video to reach audiences and tell their stories in new ways.

Here are the specific research questions the study, The Organizational Use of Video Storytelling, is exploring:

  • How are organizations using and disseminating video today?
  • Who are the primary audiences for organizational storytelling using video?
  • What are primary reasons driving organizations’ video strategies, and how big a priority is it?
  • How has online video changed the ways organizations create and disseminate their stories?
  • What are the best practices in leveraging video to reach audiences in new ways, and what organizations are doing it well?
  • How are organizations using video podcasts, YouTube, and other online video platforms, and measuring the success of their video efforts?
  • What are the trends for online video as storytelling for the next 3-5 years?
  • How has this “video storytelling” changed the structure, content, and delivery of the “defining” organizational story?
  • Is the use of video changing the quality and transparency of organizations’ stories?
  • What are the new rules for storytelling success when using online video?

And, here’s the link to the survey.

Those Unattached to Their Interior Story Get Addicted to Feedback

One of the recent podcast interviews in Michael Margolis’s The New Storytellers series featured the wonderful Christina Baldwin, author of one of the seminal books in the current storytelling movement, Storycatcher.

I was particularly fascinated by the part of the conversation about introverted vs. extroverted storytelling. Storytelling on social-media venues like Facebook is an example of extroverted storytelling, Baldwin says, and it’s often incomplete and unsatisfying storytelling. Baldwin uses a status-update example, “Just ate a hamburger,” that leaves the audience hungering (my pun intended) for more, or leaves them asking, “So?” and “What happened next?”

Baldwin says that if people aren’t attached to their interior stories, they get addicted to feedback. Although I would have considered myself attached to my interior story, I also recognize a social-media feedback addiction in myself. I’m always curious about what kinds of comments that my, for example, Facebook status updates, have generated.

People are longing for a deeper conversation, Baldwin says. We need to push technology aside and just talk slowly face-to-face in a social space that creates connection. Her prescription for such a space is the circle conversation, the subject of her newest book, The Circle Way.

It’s a very worthwhile and thought-provoking conversation. Give it a listen.

Could We Be at the End of the Storytelling Bubble?

Reaching a zenith in 2008 and 2009, a steady stream of new Web sites to facilitate online storytelling seemed to pop up regularly. I list many of these sites here and here.

Not only am I seeing a dramatic drop in announcements of new online storytelling venues, but I recently received notice of the impending closure (on June 30) of one such site, Tokoni, the interface of which is shown below.

Perhaps there’s nothing to read into the demise of this site. Perhaps storytelling sites have reached enough of a critical mass that the audience can no longer support the glut of sites. Maybe Tokoni had a weak business model.

An ongoing theme here at A Storied Career has been the current “explosion” of storytelling. With Tokoni’s closure, I can’t help wondering if the explosion has reached its peak, and we are seeing an inevitable decline in storytelling fervor. What do you think?

By the way, Tokoni helpfully provides instructions for those who want to save the stories they’ve posted on the site.

Social-Security Stories Sought for Program’s 75th Anniversary

The Social Security Stories Project is a newly launched effort to gather stories about the importance of Social Security in our society, says a press release. The Social Security Stories Project is seeking story submissions from the public, with a goal of receiving 1,000 stories by the end of July. The stories will then be reviewed for possible inclusion in a new book to be published in honor of the 75th anniversary of Social Security on Aug. 14, 2010.

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We’re inviting people across America to share examples of how Social Security made a meaningful difference in their life or the life of someone they know — as it currently does for one in six Americans.

Those who have received Social Security as well as those who know of a friend or family member whose life was impacted are encouraged to submit their stories. Online submission is easy and requires less than 400 words or a short video. Full details and a submission form are available at www.SocialSecurityStories.org.

“We are hoping the younger generations will interview their parents and grandparents on the subject which is why our website offers interview questions,” says Barbara Burt, executive director for the Frances Perkins Center, a nonprofit organization leading the project as part of its mission to honor and learn from Frances Perkins (the first woman to serve in a presidential cabinet). A pioneering woman in and ahead of her time, Perkins was U.S. secretary of labor for Franklin Delano Roosevelt. She was champion of the New Deal, close friend and advisor to FDR.

The Social Security Stories Project seeks to create a full picture of the importance of Social Security to celebrate and share with all U.S. citizens, and the world.

Stories may be about how:

  • Social Security helped a family after a tragedy.
  • Social Security is helping with retirement even in these tough financial times.
  • Children were left without a working parent or were orphaned, but Social Security provided economic security.
  • Social Security helped ensure someone received an education.
  • A veteran was able to live in dignity.

“We’re inviting people across America to share examples of how Social Security made a meaningful difference in their life or the life of someone they know — as it currently does for one in six Americans,” says Burt.

There are three ways to submit a story:

1. Upload a video on YouTube (less than 3 minutes in length) and include a link to the video with the submission form available at www.SocialSecurityStories.org.
2. Fill out the simple form on the website (400 words or less).
3. Send a hard copy of your story in regular mail to: Social Security Stories Project, Frances Perkins Center, PO Box 281, Newcastle, ME 04553

Go to SocialSecurityStories.org for more information.

The project is also utilizing social media sites like Twitter and Facebook to get out the word in a grassroots effort to share and celebrate stories about Social Security and educate the public.